FNP 08/05/08

'I'm scared to death' of Ivins, Duley testifiesOriginally published August 05, 2008By Gina Gallucci-White News-Post Staff

DULEY DESCRIBES HARASSMENT, THREATS
Jean Duley testified that she was “scared to death” of Dr. Bruce Ivins after he left her a string of harrassing phone messages, according to an audio recording taken during a July 24 peace order hearing.

Jean Duley testified that she was "scared to death" of Bruce Ivins after he left her a string of harassing phone messages, according to an audio recording taken during a July 24 peace order hearing.

Duley, 45, told Judge Milnor Roberts that Ivins planned to "go out in a blaze of glory," had bought a bulletproof vest and a gun and planned to kill his co-workers.
The audio recording was obtained by The Frederick News-Post on Monday.
Duley told the court she got to know Ivins while running group and individual counseling sessions at the Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick where she worked as the program director.

When questioned by her attorney Mary McGuirk Drawbaugh, Duley said she knew him for at least the past six months and told the court she saw him once a week.
Drawbaugh: "And during the course of your involvement with him, professionally, did he ever make any threats that were what you would consider to be homicidal in nature?"
Duley: "Yes."
Drawbaugh: "OK. And did he make any threats that you would consider to be threatening to your personal safety during the course of those six months?"
Duley: "Yes. I do."
During a July 9 group session, Duley described Ivins as "extremely agitated" and "out of control." When she asked him what was going on, he told the group "a very long and detailed homicidal plan" including killing his co-workers and roaming the streets of Frederick trying to pick a fight with somebody so that he could stab the person.
Since he was "about to be indicted on capital murder charges he was going to go out in a blaze of glory that he was going to take everybody out with him. ... That they weren't going to take him out without a fight," she told the court.
Duley was concerned because she said she knew him so well, so she tried to get as many details about the attacks as possible. The next day, July 10, she called the Frederick Police Department who removed him from USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and had him committed to Frederick Memorial Hospital.
On July 11, he called her twice just before 4:30 a.m. She told the court the first message was just "sort of a ranting, blaming me for having this done to him. It was sort of just rambling." In the second message Ivins told her "obviously we no longer have a therapeutic relationship and how could I do this to him."
After he was transferred to Sheppard Pratt Health System, a psychiatric hospital in Baltimore, he called her again at 11:25 a.m. July 12.
"That one was rather scary," Duley said in the recording. "He very calmly thanked me for ruining his life and opening ... allowing the FBI to now be able to prosecute him for the murders and that it was all my fault. And É it's going to be my fault that they can now get him."
Drawbaugh did not enter the telephone recordings into evidence for the court because FBI agents had taken them for their investigation.
Ivins was supposed to have a permanent commitment hearing at Sheppard Pratt, but Duley said his attorney advised him to check himself in voluntarily so that he may leave when he wished. Drawbaugh told the court he probably was being released from the hospital as the hearing was going on. --
She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it.
Drawbaugh: "At this time, Ms. Duley, are you fearful for your personal safety?"
Duley: "I am and so is the FBI."
Drawbaugh: "OK. And can you tell the court why it is based on what you have testified to during the course of since July 9 that you are fearful of your safety?"
Duley: "As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels he that he has been slighted or has had ... especially towards women ... he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killing. He has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic homicidal killer."
Roberts granted the temporary peace order and set a hearing for a final peace order Thursday -- a day before Duley was set to testify against Ivins before a federal grand jury.
The court ordered Ivins not to abuse or contact Duley or go to her home or job. The order was dismissed Thursday after Ivins' apparent suicide.
Drawbaugh: "Is there anything further that you think Judge Roberts needs to know with regards to the situation before he makes his decision?"
Duley: "I'm scared to death."

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August 05, 2008 @ 06:34 AM: davedennwas this info reported to anyone outside of the sessions prior to the last few days? the reason I ask is if he was this bad off why was he allowed to continue to work with Biologial warfare materials and allowed to buy a hand gun? was it his security clearance made him auotmaticly clear was this info sat on until it was to late. anyone else say's "I'll get you" gets locked up and labled unstable for life on the first time. just curious, it is still sad either way.

August 05, 2008 @ 07:33 AM: steven09NBC news reported this morning that Ivins borrowed freeze drying equipment that could have been used to turn the wet anthrax into a dry powder form that was used in the attack.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:00 AM: firedupterpIvins "bought a bulletproof vest and a gun and planned to kill his co-workers" Duley said. Has anyone found the vest or gun??? Interesting that this is the first of Ivins buying a vest and gun. I am starting to think that Dunley is a drama queen.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:16 AM: rscott25My wole feel on this is, some one at that lab committed this crime. If we are to believe these so called posters who workerked that say Irvin's didn't have the expertise, then who did? Taliban in Afghanistan? snuck it through customs? Some pimple faced pund in New Jerjersey with nothing to do on a Friday night? or the most obvious, someone with the skill, tecqnique and experience with working with the pathogen. Ultimately, it comes down to placing a person in NJ. That is really what it boils down to. If they can put Irvin's there, case cosed, if not, they are blowing smoke. I will defer to the government here, but not blanket. They do have to make a case, otherwise, I will jump on the conspiracy bandwagon.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:20 AM: superglide_84she passes herself off as some kind of a professional therapist which she isnt. shes more of a supervised therapist.who also has addiction problems of her own. i would question how she kept her job this long and is she qualified to make some of the remarks about this man that she did.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:20 AM: frederick.countyThe freeze-drying equipment that Ivins signed out, whereby one could conceivably make dry anthrax spores, was part of his job, wherein he was working on a project for DARPA. He was told to do so, so that item still does not make the indiviidual suspicious. One huge danger in any investigation is stating that "this is the suspect so now find anything that ties the suspect to the crime," is that anything circumstantialis brought in. For example, regarding the New Jersey sorority tie, the investigators originally brought a picture of Hatfill to the sorority and asked individuals therein if they ever saw Hatfill by the mailbox where the letters were allegedly mailed. And the FBI still cannot tie Ivns to being at that mailbox.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:25 AM: frederick.countyfiredupterp - Yes, that is correct. According to the therapist, Ivins gave the slip to 17 FBI Special Agents who were surveilling him round-the-clock, disabled the GPS tracker on his car, then bought a handgun without the knowledge of the surveilling team, and finally somehow obliterated all the gun licensing papwerwork at ATF so that no record would exist. If one wrote these events in a detective novel, it would get tossed in the trash as being too inane.


August 05, 2008 @ 08:25 AM: cawidenerrscott, I totally agree with you. It is not a long list of folks with enough knowledge to be able to pull of this crime. Why in the world would his therapist make any of this stuff up? Doesn't sound like she's being a drama queen to me - especially since some of these more recent threats were made in a GROUP session. I'm sure if he carried off some sort of terrible crime (like that of VA Tech shooting spree), then everyone would be blaming her for not taking his threats seriously. Sounds like something further tragic was avoided.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:46 AM: recordhighcawidener, I'm with you in that there doesn't seem to be any reason for Duley (the therapist) to make any of this stuff up. And it sounds like there is a lot of evidence to back her up, such as voice mails, evaluations at FMH and the psychiatric hospital in Baltimore, and statements from other people in the group sessions. A lot of people have tried to portray her as the sociopath in this case, but I just don't see it.

August 05, 2008 @ 08:52 AM: pmccraken68Duley had 2.5 million reasons to lie about it. Her fiance said they were broke and she couldn't (?) work.

August 05, 2008 @ 09:08 AM: christopher.alleyShe has more of a criminal past than he did so why should we believe her? She has a major reason to make stuff up: MONEY! Wonder how much the advance will be on her book? Wonder if she will get a roll in oliver stones next movie titled "The Magic Spore Theory"! Maybe arlen specter will show us how it was only one spore invovled in ALL of the deaths and he will trace it all back to a 21st century patsy!

August 05, 2008 @ 09:22 AM: recordhighpmccraken68, OK... so you've lost me. Are you implying that Duley concocted this whole story so that she could sue Ivins or maybe sell her story for $2.5 million because she is broke? If so, I don't think that's likely. Ivins probably didn't have that much money, and too many of the facts are corroborated by evidence that she could not concoct (e.g., voice mails from Ivins, psychiatric evaluations, other witnesses, the FBI investigation of Ivins, etc.). Plus, it's my understanding that at least parts of her financial and employment troubles are related to her involvement in this case.

August 05, 2008 @ 09:31 AM: recordhighWhy is it that every time some otherwise unremarkable person ends up in a high profile situation people claim that it is all a ploy to sell their story for millions of dollars? A lot of people do end up selling their stories (and usually for less than millions of dollars), but to think that it is all part of some master plan is just ridiculous.

August 05, 2008 @ 09:34 AM: kapahuluhaoleDuley may have thought this was her 15 minutes of fame that would lead to the jackpot of a TV movie. With her history of drug abuse and brushes with the law she is not a credible witness. Anyone remember Richard Jewell? Ivins and Hatfill were not the first victims to be hounded by the FBI. I say let's have congressional hearings on this investigation and let the truth come out.


August 05, 2008 @ 09:43 AM: frederick.countyThe therapist has hired an attorney for legal protection. Understandable. And the two computer sysems taken from the FCPL that tie the therapist to the allegedly sealed Grand Jury information that was leaked and appears in one of her handwritten notations in Frederick District Court is the prime reason for legal representation. Not the only one, but the prime one.

August 05, 2008 @ 09:49 AM: teacher5701Can she be held accountable for the 2001 deaths since she has known since 2000 that he had "issues" with people?

August 05, 2008 @ 10:10 AM: jbyrne2619I don't think the therapist made anything up. But I do have questions. If top psychiatrists diagnosed him as a homicidal sociopath, why were they not treating him themselves? Why hand him to an entry level "theripist" (her spelling, see the court order). Were they too busywith more high level clients? And if there was evidence or confession of past attempted murders and current homicidal plans, why was he not arrested IMMEDIATELY? Why didn't the others in the group therapy session report his statements to the police? Why did she want a restraining order for herself but did nothing to protect the other random people he wanted to take out with him? Why did she wait 14 days to file the complaint? Again, I don't doubt her truthfulness, but I just don't see why she was chosen to be in that place at that time, it makes no sense at all. And why did she leave her job? Why is her employer not backing her up? Why didn't they pay for her lawyer since these threats happened at her place of employment? What IS going on here? I honestly feel sorry for her, she's a victim here and there are many others involved who should be answering these questions. I hope journalists are asking.

August 05, 2008 @ 10:13 AM: pmccraken68Not only that, jbyrne, but when he was committed to Sheppard Pratt, if he was a danger to himself and others, why did they let him go? Whether he was "eligible" to sign himself out or not, something like that should have been a reason to supercede that, or like you said, a reason to incarcerate him. It makes no sense.

August 05, 2008 @ 11:02 AM: Barkia I definitely question her "truthfulness"! If the FBI was so concerned for her, where were "they"? Everything about this woman "smells fishy" to me! The peace order, in her own handwriting, shows that she spelled (Fort Detrick) "Deitrich"....she could not spell the past tense of "subpoena"....she had a few words "scratched out" when she couldn't seem to get a timeline in order. She obviously has some alcohol issues and yet she is allowed to counsel? She is not a certified therapist....so, there's some misrepresentation there. Her whole "testimony" doesn't seem too credible. What about the others in this "group"? Where's the vest and the gun? A high profiled scientist being "GROUP counseled" by an ill educated alcoholic....ummm, ok....NOT!

August 05, 2008 @ 11:10 AM: steven09pmmcracken....He was let go from the mental hospital because he had a good lawyer. It is my understanding that under Maryland law, if someone voluntarily checks themself into a mental facilty like that they are also allowed to check themselves out at their own free will. He got legal advice to check himself in voluntarily after he was there and there was a commitment hearing in the works. Other than he had a history of flipping out (my term) since Grad school, I don't really want to focus on his mental record or the therapist. Like someone posted yesterday, he probably didn't score as high on the crazy scale as, say, the BTK killer. I prefer to focus on the facts in the case and the more we hear the more it points to Ivins. Let's review some of what we know as fact. First, the FBI has screwed the case up in the past. This doesn't give them the best appearance but also this doesn't discount that this time they did not screw up. Second, Ivins was generally a nice guy in the community. No one disputes this and it is probably why a lot of people are coming to his defense so adamantly. Third, no one as of yet has linked him personally to either the mailbox in New Jersey or in Florida. There is some indirect link with the NJ mailbox in that it was very close to a KKG sorority house and he has been linked to that sorority....but again, that is an indirect link. So that seems to be the case for his innocence. On the other side we have the fact that the FBI has now concluded scientifically that the anthrax used in the attacks came from a lab under Ivins control. That 10 people had access to this lab. So that presumably narrows the list of people who could obtain this specific anthrax to 10, one of which was Ivins. Some scientists have claimed that he did not have the knowledge or the equipment to turn the wet anthrax into the refined dry spores. We now know that he did in fact have the knowledge and access to the equipment. The equipment to do this is rarely used in his lab, but Ivins used it in the fall of 2001, shortly before the attack. He put in extraodinarily long hours at work during this time. Also, the freeze drying machine could have been concealed in his lab. We also know, although we have only one such public account at the moment, that he had a history of making "homicidal threats" (not my words) that dated back many years. Duly, evidently, was not the only mental health professional to diagnose his instability. Without linking him directly to one of the mailboxes in NJ or Florida, the case against Ivins is going to be circumstantial. However, I think that it is a very solid circumstantial case. People have been convicted on much less. I do wonder about Florida. The FBI has botched that because they were originally flashing Hatfill's picture around the town, not Ivins' picture. But, according to the FBI, you can drive to Princeton and back in about 7 hours and that could be conceivably concealed. However, it is much more difficult to conceal a trip to Florida. I want to learn how the FBI tries to explain that.

August 05, 2008 @ 11:13 AM: atore61I think all of us have the same questions..I'm wondering where this mans WIFE was during all of this?holy crap,your husband is committed here and there,no body bothered to talk to her?especially if some woman is saying all these things about your husband.I don't get it.

August 05, 2008 @ 11:30 AM: mikes00069Does anyone see beyond the glorified facts of this death...how has it taken this many years and they still had not charged him with anything, but now that he is dead, they were planning on formally charging him this week. something sounds really fishy...and no that is not culler lake

August 05, 2008 @ 11:36 AM: forsurewrongI don't know which way this case will go; however, I think the people need a lot of answers. WHy was Ivins being watched for over a year? What does or did the FBI have against him? How do they know (FBI) that he had any issues with this sorriety in NJ? How did he turn the liquid virus into powder? WHo was this psychiatrist that declaired Ivins as being a sociopath? When was Duley a practicing addiction counselor with an DUI less then a year ago? Why wasn't Levi handling this case, did he even know about Ivins's reported behvaiors? I don't want to fry anyone, I just want to undestand what happened here. DUley may have been a good counselor, but she was not sober, or if she was, she had very little sobriety time, which places her at risk of ongoing alcohol use. I think that there are multiple, large system failures in this case that need to be given a closer look. If Ivins was able to get a gun, how was it able to be obtained when he was being watched so closely by the FBI? Why wasn't Duley protected by the FBI? SOme one please help me to understand all of this and connect all the dots that are currently a mess. I think DUley is a victim of the state because she was allowed to counsel with very little sobriety. If this is something that our state allows then I think we as the people who could be affected by this practice need to speakout. If the FBI wasn't going to help DUley stay safe then, we as the public, need to speakout so that this will never happen again. NOTHING is ever changed in this country until some one forces it to be changed.

August 05, 2008 @ 11:54 AM: steven09mikes....I think that part of the reason that it took so long to charge him was that the FBI screwed up the case, at least at first. They spent years and years and many resources trying to put it on Hatfill. Plus, some of the techniques used to track the anthrax DNA have only been around the last couple of years. As for why he comitted suicide now, obviously the feds and the psycho therapist think that was due to the fact that he was going to be charged this week. Although I do hear what you are saying. I mean, if there was someone else out there involved and Ivins was getting ready to be charged, would be convenient to knock him off. Kinda like Jack Ruby did in Oswald or something. But if you were going to do that you wouldn't want to do it by sticking a bunch of Tylenol down a guy's throat. It can take days for to kill a guy that way. Plus, just speculation here, I bet the police found a note that we do not know about yet. When the press asked Chief Dine about whether a note was found he would not say. Usually if there was no note left they can disclose that. Of course, this is a complex case legally and this is just my speculations.

August 05, 2008 @ 12:05 PM: pmccraken68Here's a thought...does anyone know where the Anthrax came from? What I mean is, aside from the vials that the DNA tests led to, where did those vials come from? Are they the original isolate? If not, what passage is contained in "THE vials"? It's possible that the DNA could match the anthrax in "Ivins' vials" (and I use that reference loosely, because I still maintain that he was NOT the only one with access to those vials...but, moving on...) but there may have been earlier passages (including the original isolate) that are not accounted for. Something to think about...

August 05, 2008 @ 12:49 PM: JOHNNTRInteresting info: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/#postid-updateG4 In their article they say: "Moreover, this morning's Frederick News Post (doing some of the best reporting in the country on this case) reported that it was FBI agents who told Jean Duley to seek a protective order against Ivins -- the action that then created the record used by most media outlets to depict Ivins as a crazed psychopath."

August 05, 2008 @ 01:41 PM: BCianfloneJOHNNTR - That is a very interesting site you noted. Therein, the current Chairman of the House Select Intelligence Oversight Panel, states that there are "many reasons why a rational person would lack confidence in the FBI's investigative abilities; and the FBI has ontinuously "stonewalled" both him and all other members of Congress for years as they tried to exercise oversight over the FBI's investigation into the anthrax case; and he declared that nobody should conclude, without much further proof, that the actual anthrax killer has been identified." So, we are now getting ready for ongoing Congressional investigations into the investigation. This is going to be a long-running miniseries. An expensive one.

August 05, 2008 @ 02:02 PM: sfexpat2000What I find unfathomable is why, after the wild claims Duley made in that hearing, Judge Roberts didn't ask her to amplify on her allegations. Because of this women, Dr Ivins, who passed two poligraph tests, is being smeared all over the country for a mental health record and a criminal record he did not have.

August 05, 2008 @ 02:13 PM: BCianfloneNow we find out that Jean Dudley has filed similar protective orders against other men. One was her prior husband. The plot thickens. Read: http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/jean-c-duley-te.html


August 05, 2008 @ 02:30 PM: aruba95This case gets weirder by the day. Every article raises more questions than it answers!

August 05, 2008 @ 03:05 PM: kosto31If he made the comments in a group session, where are the other group members to collaborate this story? I'll wait patiently

August 05, 2008 @ 03:45 PM: sfexpat2000I did want to congratulate the News-Post for their good reporting. Greenwald is right, they've done a much better job than the AP, whose coverage has been laughable. Also, the FNP has some letters that Ivins wrote in their archive. They don't sound like the letters of an unhinged sociopath but like the thoughtful work of a man who was engaged in his community. When this is over, I hope he and his family get the apology they deserve.

August 05, 2008 @ 04:36 PM: BCianfloneThe Federal Bureau of Investigation hopes to close out the anthrax killer case by Thursday, bringing an end to the nearly seven-year investigation, sources tell ABC 7. Investigators plan to release the evidence in the case after meeting with the 17 anthrax survivors and the family members of the five people killed in the attacks on Wednesday. Now this is the latest story that has just come out.

August 05, 2008 @ 04:36 PM: BCianfloneAnd if anyone needs any type of grief counseling over all this, Jean Duley is available.

August 05, 2008 @ 04:55 PM: hitbabe Glenn Greenwald has been following this closely. Here's a link to his blog, but if you look around salon.com you'll see his other articles on this subject. He did a great job investigating this - and to his own credit, credits the FNP with superb reporting about this too. http: // www. salon. com/ opinion/ greenwald/

August 05, 2008 @ 05:55 PM: fuzzycowBCianflone--no she's not, she's in an undisclosed location shooting skeet with Cheney, remember?? ;)

August 05, 2008 @ 06:16 PM: mako352Recordhigh..you are one of the only sane people commenting.I believe that it was Ivins who told Duley that he had bought a gun and vest and was going to go out in a blaze of glory.Duley is being hung out to dry by everyone involved. She cannot defend herself...yet. She did not wish for this to happen. I wish you people would stop speculating and pray for patience.

August 05, 2008 @ 06:25 PM: sfexpat2000mako: You nor I know what Ivins said because we only have Duley's word for it. And she is not credible. Her testimony before the court is full of free standing allegations that have not been corroborated in any way. She couldn't even spell "therapist" correctly on the paperwork. The language she uses about Ivins is not the language any clinician would use. "Homocidal sociopath" is not a diagnoses. It's language that sounds like a bad impression of a mental health professional. Put that together with her own history and consider if you want to take her word over someone who had no criminal record, no mental health record and who isn't here to give you his side of the story.

August 05, 2008 @ 06:42 PM: mako352Sfexpat. Oh I guess you know Ms. Duley personally to say she is not credible. Again speculation.See how your mind works. Have you talked to her about her past? Has she spoken to you about this case? Has she said a word to defend herself? Until she does we calmly sit and wait.

August 05, 2008 @ 07:00 PM: kapahuluhaoleMako: To say Duley is not credible is not speculation. It's called deductive reasoning (or using your brain). The woman had/had drug and alcohol problems and has had brushes with the law. This is not the kind of witness a prosecutor wants to put on the stand.

August 05, 2008 @ 07:13 PM: mako352I promise you that you will owe this woman an appology for your deductive reasoning.

August 05, 2008 @ 07:13 PM: hlnsheehanThe Frederick News-Post is doing good work and asking valid questions. As a European, I'm delighted to see you being more honest than the MSM. Personally I believe that Duley was fed a load of crap from the Feds which probably did frighten her, and they knew which buttons to press regarding her previous convictions and current financial status. Suffice to say, I think one innocent man is dead, and another woman's life is probably ruined. All to promote a war on Iraq initially, and then to cover it up!

August 05, 2008 @ 07:27 PM: kilskeerThere's much awry with this story. The substance abusing social worker is startling enough, then add the tarnished credibility of the FBI, the wacky sorority-obsession theory --- if that were all, then it would be fishy enough. Now I find out the identity of one of the "top" psychiatrists whose testimony factored into this, and alarms are really sounding. The guy is the quintessential hack, career army, retired & in private practice in a shabby Gaithersburg office. This guy sorely lacks insight & discernment, a true hack, and I'd not put an iota of stock in a movie review from him, let alone assessment of anyone's psyche. Indeed, something is rotten in Detrick...


August 05, 2008 @ 07:51 PM: hlnsheehanPlease elaborate further. I haven't got the latest news on this.

August 05, 2008 @ 07:55 PM: hlnsheehanBut I do agree with you, something is not right in Detrick.


August 05, 2008 @ 08:20 PM: kilskeerhlnsheehan, I just happen to know of this shrink from personal experience. I'm leery of saying his name, since I said negative things about him, even though true. Can I be sued?? His name is out there; I found it so, you'll find it easily enough. A

August 05, 2008 @ 08:37 PM: kilskeerhlnsheehan, check this: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0801081anthrax2.html


August 05, 2008 @ 09:00 PM: fuzzycowkapa--Thanks for the Wall Street Journal tip. I wonder if anyone from the FBI talked to Ken Alibek about this?? I'm not saying he did it, but as a defector from the Russian bio-warfare program, he might have some insight. I'm guessing they didn't....otherwise Bruce wouldn't be dead!

August 05, 2008 @ 09:09 PM: frederick.countyNow, these additional recent facts on the Ivins tragedy are also beyond belief and they make me disgusted: The FBI confronted Ivins' daughter, Amanda, with photographs of victims of the anthrax attacks and told her, "This is what your father did!" according to a colleague of Ivins. The FBI would follow Ivins all around town, especially to the local grocery store as well as places that it could be shown to others that he was under police surveillance, with the result that the scientist, according to his coworkers, would come to work and "sit at his desk and weep." Also, the FBI cornered the scientist's son and offered him $2.5 million to rat him out and told him the FBI would buy him the "sports car of his choice" if he would give something good on his father that would implicate him in a crime. There are and will be more instances to be revealed, especially when the investigation on the investigators begins, which will be similar to the 9/11 commission - that faulted the FBI for not doing its job then.

August 05, 2008 @ 09:10 PM: mako352Trust me. She won`t have to.

August 05, 2008 @ 09:27 PM: frederick.countyThere is now an additional statement within the news link given above that the therapist may well be investigated for committing a federal crime, and emails are being analyzed that would link the LA Times to receiving sealed Grand Jury information to her. Computers at the FCPL may be involved. Then again, the entity that would be investigating her is about to be investigated as well, so a flow chart may be in order to keep track of this mess.

August 05, 2008 @ 10:20 PM: steven09Well fellow bloggers. I'm sure some of you will never forgive me for my view here, but I've tried to keep an open mind. I never knew Ivins or his family. As previously stated I have some experience with Dr. Levy's office for marriage counciling. While it was not Ms. Duly, I have stated and will state again that the counselor I saw made matters worse in my personal opinion. So I am no fan of that office. Still, nothing said here so far changes my mind. All the evidence points to Ivins. This is not about the counselor. I feel she played little or no role at all. It is about the DNA. That traces it to a maximum of ten people. And of those ten, Ivins has to be the most likely suspect. If it wasn't him, it was one of the other nine. Period. But Ivins is the one the evidence points to. Sorry. I realize that some of you are his friends or co-workers. And the evidence is circumstantial, I'll admit. But the evidence has nothing to do with his counselor, not in my opinion. The scientific evidence points to Ivins. If it wasn't him, it was one of the other nine. The anthrax came from his lab. He reported no anthrax stolen. He checked out the equipment to dry the anthrax. The timing was right. He had a psychological history of making threats from long ago. If the evidence clears him at some point I'll be the first to admit it. But I doubt it will. Was the counselor right, or good? Doesn't matter to me. It's not about her. It's about the DNA and the timeline and the facts, not some two bit counselor's opinion. Her fears, in my opinion, are not part of the facts on which I base my opinion. Sorry.

August 05, 2008 @ 10:37 PM: ericShe is not a therapist, she is a social worker, and she should be held accountable for his death!